We discussed: Deb Klowden Mann, Online sales platform, Selling art online, The artistic middle class, Learning from hearing other peoples experiences, Passive learning, The issues of being a podcast host and guest, How I get by podcast, A moment of bitterness, Creative Capital, Center for Cultural Innovation, A dislike of the term ‘practice’ as a noun, The difficulty of artist statements, Knowing who your audience is when writing an Artist statement, Pet peeves, Experiential advice, Find a mentor and be a teachers assistant, Master / apprentice system, Being too friendly vs being too professional, The opportunity to be Richard Avedon’s assistant, Email newsletters, An art career is a life long process, Curators are the gatekeepers of the visual arts, Artist fees